Episode 041: Levels of Red Teaming with Dr. Mark Mateski


Uri and Dr. Mark Mateski have a conversation about the levels of Red Teaming, the next steps and how do we get better at Red Teaming.

We recorded this on the field, and the sound is not the best. Apologies for that. Bear with us. If you can wait 2 minutes into the episode, it gets better.

Based on Mark's "Climbing the Red Teaming Ladder", the levels of Red Teaming are a very clear way forward.

Books mentioned by Mark:

Drift into Failure: From Hunting Broken Components to Understanding Complex Systems, by Sidney Dekker

Apollo, Challenger, and Columbia: The Decline of the Space Program (A Study in Organizational Communication), by Phillip K. Tompkins

Books mentioned by Uri

Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World, by General Stanley McChrystal

The Mission, The Men, and Me: Lessons from a Former Delta Force Commander, by Peter Blaber

Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win, by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin

Episode 042: The Answer

Episode 040: Catching Up